Contract of Carriage. People can't really be this stupid. That minimum guarantee is just that, a minimum. And Moron #27 it's an INTERNSHIP.not a career. They know how lousy the job market is right now, and Im sure they have a very good idea of what the numbers are going to look like, not only now, but in the coming months and years when it comes to out-of-work pilots. See more about our ethics policies here. share. Most helpful comments ( as chosen by the OMAAT community ). @Ben L. exhibiting developmental delay for snark: that's concerning. D. Delta Echo Well-Known Member. Just be transparent. 2. It's that, or these guys and their families starve. I'm sure Breeze will find plenty of young, naive college students who sign up for this, not realizing what they are getting themselves into. They understand that our pursuit of Excellence is not a destination, but rather, a journey. So, that will Hey. All around me were developers making millions of dollars of year in salary and stock options, and there was little old me, paid hourly making about $28,000 a year in an expensive city. Given that long haul truckers can make that and more, with additional signing bonuses, you must really love to fly and be desperate. A place that likes control over everyone and everything, Mormone like. Flight Attendants are hired because they are qualified to provide safety & service. David Neeleman has always been a skinflint. Wonder what theyll pay their mechanics and pilots??? Seems oppressive, so they wont be seeing my business. Sounds very ME3. They can't profitably or even just realistically offer higher minimums than that at this point because they won't have the volume of flights. This is Slave wages but should we be surprised this is coming from the same CEO that says Masks are for Morons so all the hard working front line workers that have lost their lives that were wearing masks trying to save folks lives.His mouth has spoken and I have listened on how I will spend my airline travel dollars and it wont be on Breeze. It does sound like not much at the moment, but I think the idea behind it, that for a starting Airline and in the pandamic, to only offer 55h minium is understandable. Good luck with that. Yes, I'm probably talking about you dummy. I think Breeze will likely be cheaper while SW offers 2 free checked bags. Should be a wage and hour attorney's dream; they'll be subject to every state's wage/hour laws wherever they fly and be subject to both private lawsuits as well as administrative cases from the wage/hour agency in those respective states. There are many young people that lack the $$ or choose not to go into debt (student loan/s) for a traditional higher education. Word is Allegiant about to get a TA/contract that surpasses our own in pay, benefits etc. Its schedule, price, loyalty program. Corporate apartments with two bedrooms. My only other option right now is to start all over at another regional where the pay, seniority, and quality of life will be much lower. They had over a hundred applicants. It is a pity that in this country, health care Hello Travis and thank you for the advice. Hopefully professional pilots will take a hard look at other careers before accepting garbage like this. To help clarify that, the DoL requires that the intern cannot displace any worker, receive instruction equivalent to or complementary to enrolled coursework. The initiative will see flight attendants be paid a fixed sum of $1,200 each month. anything less than market rate? Very interesting article, first off there's a lot of people who only want to work part-time and find it exciting to go to different cities. Airfare provided to go home monthly. Chances if you have surgery, you already have. So they only want young, pretty, college girls and completely straight acting College guys? Seems like they could be taking advantage of this particular moment in time, and the situation the industry is in. *The whole Home Monthly is based on operational needs and must be scheduled 3 weeks prior. LSS, the "free market" (which doesn't really exist) isn't designed to change fast enough for a volatile industry like the airlines. . Having been a flight attendant I can tell you 15 days is not part time. There are many young people that lack the $$ or choose not to go into debt (student loan/s) for a traditional higher education. Do public transportation and see the sites that are free. $1,200 a month is an embarrassment. It will be interesting to see how this twist in offering a perpetual/consistently youthful corps of flight attendants at Breeze versus those with (decades of) seniority at other airlines plays out, thats for sure. Neeleman is no doubt a bright guy, having founded several airlines, including JetBlue. Employees pay for their school and housing, but Breeze gets the tax savings. 3.Enough may feel 1. How many people truly seek out higher prices for labor solidarity? Not if you wanted good work done. It will be interesting to see how it plays out for sure. Sounds pretty abysmal. They are offering an employment model that will appeal to some people and no other airline can/will match it so the cost differences should be sustainable. There are laws preventing this for a reason. the recruiters told me: *No insurance provided. 8 hours reserve gets 4 hours of pay $38 per hour. Sad that people in society know what's best for everybody else and don't want people making their own decisions. No we need less and need more solid middle class jobs. @samuel. To that end, it's not that much different than regular college life (many students work part time), but you won't burden yourself with huge college debt because those kids won't have to worry about tuition and housing. Schmucks! What sets Breeze Airways hourly salaries apart is the monthly hourly guarantee, which is only 55 hours, or at most, $7,865 per month before taxes (for Captains in their sixth year). Guess if you cannot beat them, whisper sweet anti-mormon cult. Not exclusively, but the idea of a University education is as much participating in a community of students as it is sitting in classrooms. This is not to fault or say any of my peers who's airlines have gone defunct (through no doing of their own) are underskilled pilots - they are well seasoned vets of an industry that was finally recovering from 9/11, the recession, age 65 rule and now COVID. Breeze Airways PAYSCALES CAPTAIN PAY SCALE (Hourly) FIRST OFFICER PAY SCALE (Hourly) PAY CALCULATOR (Click and drag the sliders) Pay Rate: $150 Credit Time: 75 Hours Bid Periods: 1 Percentage: 1 $11,250 PAY NOTES Monthly Pay Guarantee for Line Holders: 70 hours Monthly Pay Guarantee for Reserves: 70 hours PER DIEM Scheduled pay raises: Yearly *No insurance provided. Great idea. I am over the moon thrilled! And @Ben L. is still reminiscing the best cars in the world evar, made by 100% union labor in the 1980s. And I agree with the fellow poster RE: all very young kids, limited work experience not what Id want in an emergency. Some can force their way, others will accept any offer out of fear to lose their job. Fly for less money and less stress. The pay is horrifically low, though. Breeze will hire the lowest time, least skilled pilots begging for their first "jet job", just like all the regionals do. There are highly educated older people sitting around and posting on onemileatatime.com somewhat bored while a high-earning spouse pulls down a large salary. In fact, the concept seems brilliant and hope I make it through the process and get selected. Good luck, Febreeze! Why not schedule surgery with a doctor as an intern? Not a bad gig for a college student. What they do at launch and what they do 2 years later can be entirely different. I will never fly them, nor will I encourage anyone to work for them or fly them, until they pay real, market rates. Merge the Starbucks model into an airline. How will Breeze compensate flight attendants? For the rest of my career at VX I commuted into SFO the night before a trip. At least here they will learn something. Your feedback is important in helping us keep our community safe. Expect most Breeze tickets this summer to cost well under $100 one-way When Breeze takes delivery of A220s later this year the airline will offer a first class, and expect those tickets to cost an extra $50-100 one-way Breeze will charge $20 for checked bags on flights under three hours Breeze won't charge change or cancelation fees Makes sense, and given right now there is a surplus of supply of pilots in the market they are able to lower wages to increase profits and thus be more likely to succeed. Aviation is amazing!! Not sure if labor pool for whom the model fits is really large enough to support high turnover baked into the model or can support scale to provide regular flight frequency but we'll see. So Breeze may hire twentysomethings and train them, so what? JetBlue First Officers: $89 an hour for year 1 and $130 an hour by year 6, Captains at JetBlue: $192 an hour to start, then a climb to $203 an hour by year. Right now I believe there are more pilots than are needed. 1200/month in 2021??? If a pilot gets into a successful start up, the long term benefit to quality of life could be substantial and shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. Never found out what would happen if you fall below 3.0. Just the other day, the neighborhood Japanese restaurant is using robots to deliver food. I'm a flight attendant for JetBlue Airways and I make $56 per hour, that is, after 15 years but still. And that doesn't include per diem. 28 years represented by ALPA, walked the picket line 29 days in 1985 and was ready to do it again several times during my career to entice management to come to the negotiating table with a better contract for pilots. Guess which days you're going to be working? (Example: last day of training in Chicago they say you're assigned to Newark. Maintenance is the number one important. The corporate-provided housing actually sounds like an appealing thing for many college students. Let's seean airline you interact with almost completely on an app staffed by young folks with no vested interest in the company or it's success.what could possibly go wrong? And before some smart guy points out to me that money is the reason for business, think back to business 101 golden ruletreat your employees the way youd like to be treated, and they will go above and beyond to make YOU more money. I'm a retired AA captain. 5) I will meet many travelers and may be able to network my way into other opportunities when I As a college student, I love the idea! 2) housing: I am curious what housing? I explained more in my previous posts. Are all the posts from FAs at other airlines? 1. Highest paying job titles at Breeze Airways include Back-End Software Engineer, Director, Financial Reporting, and Technical Program Manager Total value of jobs: $12,985,000 Total Jobs: 3. But, lets be clear: unless theres a fairly substantial number of mid-career/midlife/middle aged people among the flight attendants, apart from seeking to keep labor (and other) costs down, its hard to miss the happy coincidence of also having an angle/approach that just so happens to allow for forever young flight attendants - like airlines based in countries that still allow for to hiring and firing based on age. While we do try to list all the best miles and points deals, the site does not include all card companies or credit card offers available in the marketplace. They are offering an employment model that will appeal to some people and no other airline can/will match it so the cost differences should be sustainable. Captain will make 3 times this Im surprised David Neeleman would set such low rates for pay. Most people care about price and reasonably courtesy interactions. Lets compare Breezes pilot pay to that of a couple of other airlines: Heres JetBlues Embraer 190 pilot pay scale: JetBlue Embraer 190 pilots get paid way more. Unfortunately flying is something easy to be passionate about, and the industry takes advantage. Breeze Airways will initially fly Embraer 190s, but eventually plans to operate a fleet consisting exclusively of Airbus A220s. I am over the moon thrilled! It does sound like not much at the moment, but I think the idea behind it, that for a starting Airline and in the pandamic, to only offer 55h minium is understandable. Their value is astronomical. Is there a penalty for leaving early? Unfortunately flying is something easy to be passionate about, and the industry takes advantage. Advertiser Disclosure: Some links to credit cards and other products on this website will earn an affiliate commission. Others might say its borderline exploitative. A huge percentage of new flight attendants leave within the first year. Spirit airlines is one of the most profitable airlines in the world proving that many people care more about price than most other things on flights. Neeleman hopes to cut costs by designing the airline around technology, including a smartphone app that he hopes will handle all customer interactions until the day of travel, and also generate a lot of ancillary revenue. As a former 40 year flight attendant, I can assure you if there is an emergency on board, you will be in much better off and in much more capable hands with a 25-40 year flight attendant than a 20 year old airhead! You have successfully joined our subscriber list. Same pattern emerges for Captains as well. We pay the least to all our staff! As in, Gompers? When I flew with Virgin America I was based at SFO, but lived in ORD. You can also reach us at (800) 573-1848. I'm sorry, a career flight attendant is absurd. Don't forget that for a person to be a doctor capable for surgery they need to have completed medical school, but for someone to be a flight attendant they only need a GED. Not exclusively, but the idea of a University education is as much participating in a community of students as it is sitting in classrooms. Beauty: Not in the job description, but undoubtedly a plus from a marketing perspective. Breeze Airways is a new airline thats expected to launch in the US in early 2021. I wish more airlines provided housing options. less than daily to leisure/small markets. Not how youd describe most 70-year-olds. Read on. Both the developers and the company very much like this arrangement. I would think having your own place paid for as an apartment or even sharing would save you $6000 a month at least. At 5 bucks an hour. Login Support. Are they taking advantage of the pilot supply right nowprobably so, because they can, but to claim they're being "exploitative" is a stretch in my opinion. And its an immediate tip-of-the-hat to what their culture will be based onmoney is king, you dont matter. For a certain person, this could be an ideal job. Therefor your flight attendant is going to be exhausted/probably not happy and definitely not rested enough to perform optimally in an emergency. The salary is 22.50 an hour sounds good but there is so much you don't get paid for that other airlines do. How often is the minimum guaranteed hours exceeded in a given month? The sharpest students looking for a college education do not choose online learning only from a second-tier state school. I am a 40 year flight attendant at a legacy carrierand I llove my job. Starbucks employees don't plan on a career there, but they love the culture and it offers them a launching pad. The estimated additional pay is $797 per month. @rich $15 an hour plus benefits for most fast food jobs are just for the interim. Prime Minister/Moderator. MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands I suspect the *average* monthly paid hours across the whole year will be a lot higher. Its all about price. He must anticipate a lot of employee churn and be okay with that risk, deeming it worth the extra-low cost structure and less likely to result in speedy unionization, if it leads to it at all. This wage is above the federal minimum wage, includes housing and a $6k tuition credit. When it comes to Breeze Airways, theres good news and bad news. The downside for me, and they exist in almost all arrangements, is the unknown as to whether we'll have health insurance. El Segundo, CA 90245, Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information, Meet the Breeze team at upcoming events! I could not afford to live in SFO and couldn't find another crashpad with openings unless I hot racked. Outside of banner ads published through the Boarding Area network, this compensation does not impact how and where products appear on this site. Scary and for sure a company that will NEVER see me on any of there planes! Opinions expressed here are the authors alone, and have not been reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any of these entities. but if your salary stays low, you cannot build a family. Why are we encouraging a race to the bottom? I will make $15-20 per hour for my hard work on average when you figure all the work we do for free. Also, let's be honest: COVID is a new reality for pilots. This is corporate serfdom masquerading as an "opportunity". To eat while traveling. High Flex. I worked for the now defunct Bar Harbor Airlines in the 80s. And I think at the moment there are a lot of pilots looking for work. Failing that, they were determined to not pay one dime more than their competition.