A Adaptive Tactical Shotguns American Tactical Shotguns B Baikal Shotguns Barrett Shotguns Benelli Shotguns Beretta Shotguns Blaser Shotguns Browning Shotguns C Century Shotguns Charles Daly Shotguns Chiappa Shotguns On barrels and actions of smoothbore guns with the gauge size (or nominal bore) plus the shell or cartridge case length. Birmingham did not establish its proof houses until 1813, and though another Act was passed in 1815 to strengthen the former, the laws were not stringent enough, and the Birmingham proof was not recognized as sound until much later, when the Act of 1855, still unsatisfactory, and the eventually satisfactory one of 1868, was passed. A reader hasasked me to say something aboutBelgian proof marks. + 10-14% by piezoelectric transducer measurement. Can be without star and ring. The mark was seldom requested, Chamber dimensions in millimeters shotguns undergoing smokeless proof. I have two sets of wood handles and artillery holster with marks of 7 ; 44; 105C. Project Upland. In addition to LLH (and other Belgian makers) made the tubes used by most of the U.S. double gun makers 1920s-1940s, with Siemens-Martin or Krupp (by license) steel supplied by Cockerill. "Arsenal" or "Inspector Marks". Black powder proof for rifles and shotguns. To my knowledge, there isn't a book out that covers European proof marks: If someone knows about such a book, please add a comment with that information. I have not fired it. Nessonvaux is short drive outside of Liege. cases. A voluminous schedule of rules and scales of charge for the proof of various kinds of small arms is in existence, and the proof is the same at London and at Birmingham; though different proof marks are employed. ~JP2lLn)wMO(;%vvRnS>2sw~zG!D""L0MW#+J%d)g"#Q4H&D4&KdU_};g|CN>Is>X&'vqFc&Pkr3EjZ1M&|dv55*6GI?/cOra#2K;cW>rLFtgtycw^4RiK-myVS[${XZw ho"=^f%DeiG wPnD6#diqSg].GI24?>.0 ?~wXy$6Sd3Ln2IdLL_#6)G7OE)7igF. firearms books bibliary. Many thanxPS:. (copy right L.R. Ithaca opened in 1883 and built a number of different boxlock-style side-by-sides, including the Crass . A forum community dedicated to Shotgun owners and enthusiasts including the Remington, Beretta, and Mossberg shotguns brands. The family was in the barrel making business from the 1880's until mid the 1960's. http://www.littlegun.be/arme belge/artisans identifies d/a delcour dupont gb.htm This is Jean-Baptiste Delcour-Dupont and his son Oscar, 1924. I suspect the gun is a Janssen. Belgian Arms cie Nowadays these firearms are mostly used for hunting or kept at home for self-defence. I'll test it very cautiously. I have pictures If you need them. Quick Facts The Belgian gun industry in Liege produced flintlock muskets for their African colonies until the mid-1950s. On this page, once you scroll past the patent stuff, you'll find a gun very much like yours. The numbers 138 G(looks like a 1) are under the proof mark. HI, John. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Henri Pieper (left) and Nicolas Pieper (right) Henri Pieper was born and raised in modest German home in Soest (Westphalia) Germany on Oct 30, 1840. Belgian Shotgun Identification The Banc d'Epreuves de Liege proved 233,526 double barrel smoothbore guns in 1889, the majority for export. Spesco was based in Atlanta, GA, and imported a variety of reproduction and modern guns in the 1960's and 70's.It would be a good idea to check that the rifle is unloaded. Still, this company firmly has its roots in the good old U.S.A. John Moses Browning is a legend of firearms history. We provide antique gun prices and pictures of each antique firearm we sell. I have tried to look up an 1136 but am unable to locate them anywhere. CLEMENT, J. Are you sure they are Damascus and not perhaps fake Damascus made by etching a spiral pattern on solid steel barrels for those who liked the look of Damascus? . I found a couple on this site and also nramuseum.com leading me to believe its a British or Belgian gun. carefully bound by threads. What I know so far is: 1924 is a bit late for Damascus barrels. JavaScript is disabled. 4 0 obj If 'JF' it could be Janssen Fils or Frres. marks tell the country of origin of the weapon. We have just started to assemble this on going source of Proof The other side of the coin is that quality can indeed be there in Belgian guns: The Belgian Browning Superposed were all fine guns, whilefirms like Francotte, Dumoulin, or Lebeau-Courallycould make guns of very high quality indeed. A forum community dedicated to Shotgun owners and enthusiasts including the Remington, Beretta, and Mossberg shotguns brands. Comblain H. J. visiting our on-line listing of manufacturers identifying marks, We offer a wide variety of antique firearms for the antique gun collector. Maximum service load for shotguns having undergone smokeless proof. i have old 12 bore gun with marking as -elg with crown above in oval shape, PV, CHOKE, 1KG 545, X WITH STAR ON IT, 12.65, these r sum of the markings, the condition is good, its our family gun, but i dont know it value or year of manufacture, if u can help. Britte Frres I'm a ypunger collector/gun activist. The "D.D. Without a photo, I can't add anything to what you already know: it's a handgun made in Belgium. firearms. My best guess is that it's a maker's mark, but of course I could be wrong. There's no indication of chamber length--but that didn't begin until 1892.The other marks I can't identify.So what can I tell you? Comblain Dieudonn Joseph Originally evolved by the armourers themselves, the system of proof was in nearly every arms-producing country taken over by the Municipality or the State, who imposed a series of stringent by-laws and penalties on any who sought to evade the prescribed tests. Mauser was a late entry in 1888. Other makers include Lebeau Courally and Mahillon. Smaller gauges progressively cost more, with 20-gauge guns generally bringing at least twice the price of a 12 gauge. The only other markings I have seen are along the length of thr barrel \ \/ | . Since 1924 used on all rifled arms. Belgian Liege gunmakers When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. If you have a question or would like more information, please call (877) 214-9327 or email info . Wish I could be more helpful! Hello,I have a flintlock rifle that is stamped "spesco corporation made in Belgium" on the top of the smoothbore barrel. Very long barrel. (Six volumes by alphabetical order), Belgian Liege gunmakers (A to C) - Volume 1. 1899-2011 Modern Guns. Introduced for handguns in 1894, rifles over 8mm in 1897. I live in Tennessee and would love help on identifying this gun down to the year and place made. The major countries which either did not have proof or whose marks were not recognized were the U.S. and Spain. See Kennett's # 2 and # 9 above. Until 1894, stamped in .02mm graduations, then in 0.1mm steps, Degree of choke, in this case 0.7mm constriction. Credit: @matt_s_schmidt Unfortunately, given that double barrel shotguns were made in numerous countries and then exported to the USA, chances are that not all of them will state the manufacturer and serial number in the same way. Rifles & Musket Information. The slot for the pin had to be welded up and a firing pin installed.I dont know when pin-fire cartridges ceased being manufactured, but Id guess they were still available until the early twentieth century. Board Of The IZh motorcycles and automobiles are manufactured by. I have pics of the Proof marks I want to show you. Example of inspectors mark, any letter can be used with a crown. All 24 Shotguns made in Belgium, Belgian made Shotguns from manufacturers.name.include? Beuret Frres [Later note: Gerhard Wirnsberger has written. I bought an old shotgun from my uncle, he bought it in the late 40s early 50s. I recently decided to clean it up. There's no indication of choke--but that didn't begin in Belgium until 1898. Chartier [more like this] Belgian Flobert Style Warnant 8mm Parlor. CLIMAS Tradename used by J. Stevens Arms Co. on guns. Counet Philippe Bte" tells us the maker: it stands for "Dieudonn Debouxthay Brevete", or "Patent Dieudonn Debouxthay" in English. Just re-visiting this thread to see if there is any new insight on the symbol "E" in the triangle on the side of the breech. Search. What does 12 over C mean in a triangle? Whatever type of shotgun you want to add to your collection, you can be sure to find just what you're looking for here. What about a lightning bolt with a star above? Any info will help. Ever seen that? There are a number of It has a gold trigger and serial number starts with an x. I'm very curious as to why there is an "FN" above the serial #. The earliest 3D-printed guns were crude single-shot devices. Since the U.S. has no proofing houses (as in England, France, Germany and . Original handmade flintlock & percussion ("cap & ball") firearms . Sorry! Reply rdlowe Pilgrim Joined Dec 11, 2015 Messages 236 Reaction score 190 Location Dallas TX Dec 21, 2018 #3 curator said: It's complete. It is was built using a very thick Christophe & Montigny late 1880's to early 1890's, .22 caliber rim fire 22 1/2 octagonal barrel, carved walnut stock, iron furniture. Seen JavaScript is disabled. Stevans): cant verify it is Maj. Doan, but on his hip is a pistol, which looks alike a 7 in. Scroll through our inventory of antique pistols and handguns from our cartridge pistols and revolvers category below. The British Sporting Gun and Rifle: Pursuit of Perfection 1850-1900. only 70 i see is the 70above the D = above where it says 20.7 i dont know what those numbers mean. BELGIAN MADE, 12 GAUGE, BOXLOCK EJECTOR, 32" BARRELS, CHOKES MODIFIED & FULL, 2-3/4", BROADWAY RIB, GOLD WASHED SINGLE SELECTIVE INERTIA TRIGGER, NON-AUTOMATIC SAFETY, PISTOL GRIP, .Click for more info Seller: Country Pursuits Area Code: 718 $3,895.00 ROYAL GUN, BELGIUM SXS 12GA, GI#: 102149842 The Modern Shotgun. is about 30 cm X 22 cm (11.80" X 8.60"). A complete list of suppliers of shotguns. The crown R and star P stamped on the barrel, receiver, and cylinder. I have got a 19th century belgian double barrel pin fire shoutgun with walnut stock(116cm). The gun belonged to HH Nawab Ahsanullah. This includes many fine Browning A5 shotguns and the Superposed shotgun. Does it reach the touch hole? If I was asked for a guess for a dollar I would say mid 1930's. Bury Jules. Some of the links in the first post are inactive and can not be edited. Boden If you could find the time to give me a clue what exactly this gun is I would greatly appreciate it.Thanks,John. Bayet Frres I have a Belgium 38-40 with a 7 in barrel all matching. This mark is found on guns that is not made in Belgium by countries that use proofs that is not recognized by the Belgian Proof House. Belgian proofs are among the oldest and have a very long history. By 1931, Fabrique Nationale d'Armes de Guerre in Herstal, Belgium (FN) launched an even smaller .25 ACP pistol developed by the company's chief designer, Dieudonn Saive. Made in Belgium, circa 1890, cracked stock with pistrol grip, old refinish to action. A forum community dedicated to all firearm owners and enthusiasts. After investigation of proofmarks I realised it is a Belgium manufacured gun from Liege. Bodson N. the examiner in determining the caliber designation of a military Tullea three spiked crown or mitre above a capital E (as shown below). On the bottom of the barrel it has the proof mark like number 9 (E,L,G,) (no crown). A "Greener" double? So the only indicator of the chamber depth is found with the stamp of the Chamber dimensions? Bouquin Ad Liege, in Belgium, has always been celebrated for its weapons, and established its proof house as a municipal enterprise on May 10, 1672, when it was laid down that barrels should be marked with the stamp of the city, and unproved weapons might not be sold under pain of a fine of a gold florin and the confiscation of the unproved barrel. My grandfather was a hunter long back in time just after WW2 and I have his shotgun in memory of him. presented below is the first of the series and is covering the gunmakers whose names are Needless to say, I bought the gunand it will never be for sale as long as I am alive. Collette Lopold Delcour-Dupont was a barrel maker in Nessonvaux, Belgium. Subcategories This category has only the following subcategory. x\}WT_0qk E%Mp8@S36QG7=TFx,P?wU]4v>3}wc)0~_+. Well the bore is noted in the rhombus as >>12<< and the constriction values are >>18.2/18.2<< & >>17.3/18.2<< so with those it has to be a 12 bore. gfk0W2|Z#C7xA5 2`f)Hj'[iZWMU=|J-T `)Mtex=]m$azBbk>$QPB gTb0nnPTbj\uD`.3;7 ;U}LuB+2aki!Ld1QNUwr$Oaj9,U1Oe~N2u]6;&?a'LOe3 NIIS/\4fFIGXT[,(rN]3"!2(4YBd^VUY:;jWCJ^f"X.2X:l\d>|D}#&Ofw`Rv|$6&)M manufactured firearms, such as pistols from Spain and Italy, will list a Hand Guns 3 Rifles-Shotguns 0 . Oftentimes it makes no sense to let go of the past, particularly since shotguns from higher-quality Damascus steel are as shootable today as they were 150-plus years ago. No maker's name at all. These firearms There's no indication of gauge. Chaumont M.J. source of Manufacturer Serial Numbers. The Liege proof house was established in 1672 and it is the oldest European proof house still in operation. Coquilhat Aim Now, at age 63, Jensen has reached the stage in life where he's ready to start letting go of his collection. Hand Guns 9 Rifles-Shotguns 0 . Very little: I'm assuming it isn't a muzzleloader but a breechloader, which means it could be as early as 1860-1865, say. Double gun shotguns - Side by Side shotguns, and over under shotguns - Including drillings, double barreled rifles, SxS double rifles, combination guns. The Lion Rampant over PV was applied to the Optional Supplementary Smokeless proof for shotguns in 1898. Thomas Jefferson. Collings Hadelin Bischop Pierre As mentioned, Damascus barrels were made from strips of iron and steel wrapped around a mandrel in "barber pole" fashion, and the spriral pattern can usually be seen clearly. and hardbound book, written in English and French by Alain Daubresse, provide an extensive Bertrand Joseph Measuring the bore diameter and chamber Long Beach, CA: Safari Press, 2000. to share our findings by this means of communication. Antique Shotguns (Pre-1899): Belgian Shotguns, Side by Side Shotguns Our inventory of antique shotguns is made up of shotguns manufactured before 1899, including English, French, and Belgian shotguns. for your continued support, encouragement and admonishment. Knowledge of commonly used military ammunition assists Sorry for my delay in responding: I've been OOT and off-line for two weeks. 1840-1860. I can't tell if it was proved for nitro: those have a lion over the PV. Weight of proofed barrels, after 1924 fractions of grams no longer used.